Being a Pharisee did not disqualify you from believing in Yeshua. The issue is that the massive influx of gentiles into the sect are causing problems by bringing in gentile customs, natural born Jews adhearing to traditions that contradict Torah. Why is this a strange idea? Polhill observes that several rulings of Gamaliel appear in the Mishnah, mostly having to do with marriage and divorce. No one. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these TWO commandments. [Matthew 22:36-40, Deuteronomy 6:5, Leviticus 19:18], But in contrast with Jesus, Paul the Pharisee didnt know the greatest, most important, first commandment according to Jesus. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. Surely it makes no sense at all that our loving Creator could or would give us a message we cannot understand. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. He calls himself "of the people of Israel.". Maybe, from what I have seen of him he does not go to great lengths on anything. Gamaliel is reported to have offered somewhat lenient advice concerning the early preaching of the apostles in Acts 5:34-39. Silence since March now its June. Probably his training with Gamaliel would have been concluded by the time he was twenty and would have given Paul a very good understanding of Old Testament Scripture. (Matthew 27:45). For example, are we missing any casuistry from Gamaliel which might demonstrate Gamaliels dissent from Hillel in specific cases presenting unique facts? Pohill points out that Gamaliel seemed to be very resigned about this new Jesus movement, saying that if Christianity was not of Gods will, they would end in disaster just like the false messianic movements in Israels past did (pg 31). Some of the trials were limited to the high priest and his inner circle, it is likely the entire 70 member Sanhedrin met to dal with Jesus. So it is possible they left out the respected Pharisee Gamaliel so that he would not oppose crucifixion. Same question; Specifically, what were Pauls specific sins as a Christian based on specific verses of the Bible? Things will be different then. Thats the short version of my definition of what is an Apostle.. Listen to him! [Mark 9:7], The Apostle John recorded the testimony of John the Baptist: I have see and I testify that this is the Son of God. [John 1:34], In contrast, Hundreds of years later Muhammad came along and wrote: God has no son.. Similarly,When did Paul study under Gamaliel? It is possible that Paul was not of the Hillel form of Pharasism, but rather the more radical Shammaite party. According to Jesus, which Commandment is the Most Important? Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. The character and position of his father. Shaul and Yehusa were both Jews who practiced Judaism, worshiped in synagogues, at the temple and were part of Jewish society and culture. Romans 10:4 states For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Second, Tarsus also exposed Paul to different cultures. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. [Philippians 3:12-13] (Response- They say third times a charm. You who were formerly known as gentiles. Why does it make us so uncomfortable? But is it correct to characterize Paul as an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view, namely, that Jesus was the Messiah and the High Priest killed him. Paul would never have slowed down on his preaching to write the books in the bible we have to learn from, so God put him in prison. God made us and loves us and He does reveal His will in language we can gladly receive, comprehend and obey. Finally in Troas, Paul received a vision of a man asking them to go into Macedonia (modern-day Greece). According to Josephus (Life 38.190-191), Gamaliel belonged to "a highly respected family"; there is no good reason to reject the early Jewish tradition that he was the grandson (or perhaps . The Middle East is very unstable. Jesus poured his life into the 12 Apostles for 3 years very personally training them to be the leaders of the church, and Jesus chose Peter as first among equals. What is the meaning of Tentmaker? And even if Matthias was physically absent at that particular occasion, Jesus is still establishing the basic qualification for having one of the twelve thrones as being you who have followed me, not someone who will follow Jesus in the future, like Paul, James, Luke or anyone else in the world. The relics were found on 3 August AD 415. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Good point. Why are you waiting, be of those who bow to Gods Will if you know that the Bible has lies in it and is corrupt, you must believe that a true religion exists in the world and isnt a secluded secret for the few who know! I justify everything I do If I testify about myself it MUST be true Im the only man in all history whose testimony doesnt need two or three. Pauls relationship with Gamaliel two years ago, Paul and Gamaliel | ChristianBookBarn.com, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. Jesus Leadership Training, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. I think Jesus was God incarnate, but the preaching in Acts 2-3 that brings the increasingly violent reaction is that the Jews killed their true messiah and God raised him from the dead, *and* that he is coming back to judge the nation (starting with Caiaphas?). Im glad no one disagrees with me. Although in the Bible there are verses speaking about Pauls sister and nephew, there are no references to Pauls wife. Long has taught full time at Grace Christian University since 1998, specializing in Bible and Biblical languages. Hillel disagreed on this aspect, due to many converts in the Torah ( Ruth, Obidiah, Abraham etc.) That is the basic idea of the heavy-duty seminary language we were being trained in. Maybe God was preparing Paul under those great teachers for the work He had in store for him He became one of the most intense teachers of the gospel in the bible. Anyway, Ill talk with Clinton and see if he has an idea for a short catchy slogan- maybe boiled down to four words or so. Perhaps on the basis of a preserved tradition that he oversaw the body of St. Stephen. Dr. His dissertation was published as Jesus the Bridegroom by Pickwick Books in 2012. We'll address more of this in a moment. There is no such thing as a Jewish-Christian or a Christian. Acts 6:9 But resistance arose from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and men from the provinces of Cilicia and Asia. You might be interested: Was Paul The Apostle Alive When Jesus Lived? There were at least 2 elements of Paul's training. We should follow the Jesus of the Gospel writers. This is a question our experts keep getting from time to time. ), STEP 2) Paul said; Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners- of whom I am the worst. [1 Timothy 1:15] (Response- Sin is alwasy specific. The second passage refers to Paul. The game the dogs play is the same today, Except now they do it on blogs. Rabbis are Reubenites. Paul may be seeing this as another threat to the Law and acts as his predecessors did to preserve the culture and traditions of the Pharisaical movement and interpretations. That is absolutely incorrect. ), STEP 4) Paul said; Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. IMHO, Paul was not an eyewitness to the crucifixion. The commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not covet, and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this ONE RULE: Love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to its neighbor. Especially to a yeshiva student studying to be a Chazzan. Who did Apostle Paul study under? In regards to Gamaliel, based off of Acts 5:35-40, he seemed to be a wise teacher. No, I DONT want Paul to act like a Pope controlling all aspects of the church from a distance yet reading Pauls 2 letters to the church, it is clear to me this is exactly what he was doing. / 2 Tim. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Perhaps you can contribute some insight? Gamaliel In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law. As much as I appreciate you keeping an almost 4 year old thread alive, you just do not contribute much to the conversation. The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ? If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. Jesus never said anything like that. [erase erase erase], Actually, the same is true for you Thaddaeus, after you were appointed. I know from the Scriptures that Paul Worship is wrong, but the entire Church Establishment says its right. Phillip you have been an inspiration to me here is a new poem. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. The overwhelming internal evidence of The New Restament and mishnaic sources on the Schools of Shammai and of Hillel support the liklihood of Paul being from the School of Hillel. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. [Romans 13:8-10, Leviticus 19:18]. There is so much theological supposing these days! To what extent should we use Pauls training at the feet of Gamaliel as background to understanding his later theology? I am not at all sure you have read my article accurately, nor really spent much time on this site reading the things I post here. So when Paul wrote his two letters to the Church in Corinth, who was overseeing all aspects of the church? scholars can go in offering probable rather than speculative inferences? Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; Numbers 7:59 chapter context similar meaning "And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur." [Acts 19:21 22:21] . . As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. Mantra (noun) (Hinduism.) Good to see the parrot-heads well represented here. What does tents mean in the Bible? First, Gamaliel was one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. Happy Pentecost 2017 All praise be to Jesus. When cult members repeat their mantra, it makes them deaf to the voice of God, unable to hear God. There were several rebellions in Jerusalem regarding the building of gymnasiums. If yes, then are Pauls subjective states really discernible as correlates to these two different schools based only on Pauls texts? The first thing was that they might be with Him personally, together, for His entire earthly ministry, from the time of John the Baptist until Jesus rose to heaven. A Nazarite vow entail a MANTADORY sacrifice to the temple. Considering the writing of the Mishnah and Talumd are collection of previous works from various Yeshivas (ie before the New Testament) clearly shows you have no idea what youre talking about in regards to Judaism and how the text was culminated. The sect were known as Nazarites or Netzrim and in later writings Messianics. This is getting boring. When Im at the beach with the hip crowd, I wont take a stand in public. Ibn Taymiyya is the first I know of who said it in writing but obviously it was known as no Hadith mentioned Paul or a 13th Apostle, did name the 12. One hint is the resistance to Pauline Christianity by both Second Temple Judaism and more conservative Jewish Christians like James.Most scholars of the period talk about early Judaisms, plural, since there was in fact a range of practice and belief in the first century. In fact in the book of John Jesus is pointed out as a Pharisee. One special person, alone, with special words, and a special title, who could never be WRONG. The command given by our Lord and Savior Is not a Pharisee speaking alone It came rather through your apostles Matthew Peter and John, If a Pharisee boasts proudly Those men added nothing to my message He doesnt speak for Jesus His words are nothing more than garbage, Bibliography All quotes in quotation marks are from the writings of the Apostles Matthew John and Peter in the Bible, mostly the Red Letter words of Jesus. For example, Polhill says, The most interesting ruling preserved from Rabban Gamaliel was his insistence that a woman had the right to remarry upon the testimony of a single witness that her husband had died. Its not easy for me now in 1973, as a young man just trying to start out in ministry. But that was the requirement Jesus gave to sit on thrones: You are those who have stood by me in my trials. You, speaking to His 11 Apostles who had been walking with Him faithfully for 3 years. If he didnt have the teaching and influence then he wouldnt of had such a bold and confidence approach when speaking to other people. Dmando0110. brought up . Like Brad Young, he is deeply influenced by David Flusser but unlike Flusser and Young, he is less in touch with mainstream Jewish scholarship. This applies to the Pharisee sect. He studied under the best Jewish teachers including the well-respected teacher, Gamaliel . Rather than the many trails of supposition. This is not true, you have no idea what you are talking about. THey were called Nazarites or Netzarim (plural) or believers of the MEssianic movement (of that time) and were a sect of Judaism. Ill do it then. But I am a Reformed Anglican. 5:7) Paul realizes he has missed The Fast in Acts 27:9 while on the prison ship. I got my Masters Degree at Dallas Theological Seminary. And we can but make some comparisons in ourselves. Not 1 as in 3 in 1. Historically, it's believed to be 34 AD, give or take a year. Pauls athletic references good point Emily. I am one of those who obey Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. [Revelation 12:17] No Im not perfect without sin, and No I dont know everything now. But let us not confuse the issue with facts. St. Paul was always proud of his Roman citizenship, indeed I think we can surmise biblically, that Paul was always something of a Jewish Pharisee, and too a Jewish-Hellenist, but foremost caught-up in his calling as an Apostle of Christ! How likely is it that the acknowledged leaders of the church today could come to such unanimous theological agreement? If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). For example, But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified (1 Corinthians 9:27 ESV). In athletics and my walk with Christ, I must remain disciplined in all that I do. If you Torah-observant Jews dont believe that the Yeshua (Jesus) of the 4 Gospels is really the Jewish Messiah, can you back that up with Torah and Nabiim ? I would think that he would include that in his self-description as the chief of sinners. He says he is "of the tribe of Benjamin.". Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22.6). Jesus did not see even the Hebrew Scriptures, what we call the Old Testament, as a whole unit or book that was all equal or all truly Gods words. Jesus spoke of The Law, or The Law and the Prophets, holding these 2 sections of the Old Testament above the third, least important sections the Writings. And Jesus held the Psalms, the first book of the Writings section, above the other books in the Writings section in importance, since some parts of some Psalms are prophetic. Last Weeks Reading: Evangelicals, Water, and the Theology of Paul New Ways Forward, http://readingacts.com/2013/09/09/paul-and-gamaliel/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zGS_V5mEOG4, Romans, Part 57 | The Gospel and the Religious Mind, https://unashamedofjesus.org/2016/05/31/greatest-commandment/#comment-5642, https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t-OzhlmvE, Pauls Jewish Heritage (Philippians 3:4-6) | Reading Acts, What Kind of Jew was Paul? As a teen, his family sent him to Jerusalem to study under Gamaliel, the most prestigious Jewish teacher of that time, similar to a Harvard education today. The blog started as a supplement to teaching through Acts at my church, then later college classes. Paul was probably making reference to some of the Hebrew Scriptures, quite likely including the Law and the Prophets. I almost wonder if his upbringing had anything to do with the way that he thought and he acted towards Christians. So we know that he is a Pharisee, is part of the Sanhedrin, and taught the man who would eventually pen the majority of the New Testament. Nave's Topical Index. Yes, 99.9% of Christians absolute gets Pauls writings wrong. Is AARP PO Box 93143 Long Beach CA 90809-9720 a valid address? There were plenty of other messianic pretenders besides Jesus, the difference is that some claimed that he was raised form the dead. Here however it plainly is not. Paul was so entrenched in corrupted rabbinics (MAASE HATORAH ) that it clouded the vision of Messiah until Damscucs road. (Not The Law the Prophets & the Writings, not All Scripture, not The whole Bible). The Lord God Jesus the Jewish Messiah, Son of Yahweh the Most High God of Israel, said: All the Law and the Prophets hang on these TWO commandments. Not one. I wont say Im high on Jesus, and so using a mind-altering drug for recreational purposes is wrong, because Jesus is better. I dont want to be rejected by my peers. Jesus said its TWO commandments, with the greatest, most important, first command to .1) first, love God with everything youve got, and .2) second, love people. . ), In essence, it is also the same principle as what Eve did in the Garden of Eden, forgetting about the Tree of Life, which is the first tree in the middle of the Garden, and instead referring to the second tree as the tree that is in the middle of the garden. [Genesis 3:3 & 2:9 2:17, 3:24], Kind of like the Pharisees with Jesus, who were pushing the false idea that we can consider ONE commandment in the Law, alone in isolation, to be the greatest commandment in the Law., Or like today, false teachers in the Chrislam Purpose Driven Seeker Sensitive Emergent Liberal Ecumenical New Age world church movement pushing the false idea that the ONE RULE is Loving God and Neighbor together.. God told them to go one way, and they disobeyed God and did the opposite- but God still worked through them eventually, after they repented. In reality youd be considered a Judaizer ( an no its not what Christians think it is because that definition is clearly wrong) and thrown out of the synagogues. . Have you even stepped inside shul? get up set if you want ,,but Paul was that , dont believe it ? My buddy has a new friend from a Baptist background that seems really smart and good with words. I think that we should use Pauls training from Gamaliel as a background to understanding his theology because most of his theology is based off of his human teacher and was added on by the Holy Spirit. I pray that you will be blessed with the knowledge of Jesus Christ and Gods love through the cross for you. But this seems to be where the peaceful teachings of Gamaliel shine stronger. 3) Paul exaggerating his ministry in Ephesus claiming it was 3 years night and day with tears when really it was 3 months in the synagogue and 2 years daily in a lecture hall. The Astounding Conversion of Paul (Soon, in the Logos Library!) Here are 5 to get the discussion started: .1) Pauls boastful conflicting false testimonies, exaggerating and making things up about his conversion experience in Acts 22 & 26, compared to what actually happened (recorded by Luke in Acts 9). (Acts 18:18) Reference to Torah (num 6:2-6, 13-18) Paul leave Philippi after Observing Unleavened bread (1 Cor. Pharisee Saul, inventor of Christianity, the new Pharisees. In other words, had God been preparing Saul for this breakthrough prior to Acts chapter 9? Who was the famous Jewish teacher under whom St. Paul studied? So youd rather channel Constantine, anti semetic church fathers and bad book from amazon from authors who know absolutely nothing about Judaism or what they are even reading. There is absolutely no Christianity in the book of Acts. Christians threatened his view and interpretation of the law until his conversion in Acts 9. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. But i am just speculating here. N. T. Wright describes the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah, as Hillel had said (What Saint Paul Really Said, 26). 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